can anyone let me know if there are any canoeing, air rifle and archery courses in 05 , the group are willing to pay for me to learn so I'm willing to learn! 
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HELP our group has got loads of equipment , but I don't have the "Tickets" can anyone let me know if there are any canoeing, air rifle and archery courses in 05 , the group are willing to pay for me to learn so I'm willing to learn!
can anyone let me know if there are any canoeing, air rifle and archery courses in 05 , the group are willing to pay for me to learn so I'm willing to learn!
check with Thriftwood
You could also try the activity teams, ESCAT and ESWAT...
thanks
The next NSRA air rifle course at Thriftwood is on the 20th November and £32. Unfortunately, the GNAS Archery course at Thriftwood is this week, sorry.
Also, I think that for Class C waters (basically lakes) all you need is a warrant to instruct canoeing, but for any rivers you'll need authorisations, (preferably BCU 2* and First Response apparently) and as I found out to get a half decent authorisation you'll also need experience for the Form W canoeing authorisations.
Also, I think that for Class C waters (basically lakes) all you need is a warrant to instruct canoeing, but for any rivers you'll need authorisations, (preferably BCU 2* and First Response apparently) and as I found out to get a half decent authorisation you'll also need experience for the Form W canoeing authorisations.
for class c waters (no inlet or outlet and small eg ponds etc) you need a warrented leader with first response although a basic qualification would be good. to do class B and above a form W is required, depending on what you have experience and qualification wise will depend on what grade how many people and what kind of craft.
Hi Guys,
Our ACC Activities would like to comment on this topic but is unfortunately unable to gain access to the forums at present due to a technical difficultly
Therefore on his behalf I have posted the following which is text of an email sent to me:
Canoeing Kayaking and for that matter all boating and rafting on class C waters.
Firstly a summary definition, Class C waters are still waters with an accessible bank within 50 metres, for instance, Skreens Park lake is about 100 metres across but has accessible banks on both sides so it is Class C water.
It should be noted that some parts of the Chelmer Navigation may be considered as Class C, as the water is not fast running for most of the year but accessible banks are a must and one should steer well clear of weirs and locks, and take note of adverse weather conditions.
Typically a quarry or sandpit with water 51 metres across but with a sheer inaccessible bank on one side will be Class B1 not Class C water, but if 49 metres across it is Class C.
It is a fact that no Adventurous Activity Authorisation, Form W, or Permit under the scheme to be introduced sometime before September 2007, is required to instruct boating on Class C water.
My only concern is that young people are trained appropriately. For Canoeing I would suggest that the Instructor should have been trained to BCU 2 Star level in order to impart the correct skills to the young people. At that level a limited Form W could be issued, on application. For Pulling (Rowing) and Rafting there is no formal qualification, but the Instructor should have some knowledge of Water Safety and I suggest that the relevant Factsheets, viewable and downloadable from Scoutbase should be read and understood.
It goes without saying that there should be an Adult, preferably the Instructor who holds a valid First Aid Certificate, minimum First Response, at the activity at all times
Finally, to dispel a myth regarding the Swimming capability of participants, it is desirable for young people to be able to swim 50 metres. This is not an absolute requirement for participation in Water activities, but any non-swimmer must be identified to the Instructor and it is the Instructors decision to allow some non-swimmers to participate in the activity or not.
At all times Buoyancy aids appropriate to the Activity must be worn by participants and Instructors alike, again reference to the Factsheet is advised
http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/library/hqdocs/facts/
Class C Water FS120623, Canoeing FS120651, Rafting FS120668, Pulling FS120660 Water Safety Waterborne Diseases FS120629, Water Safety Buoyancy Aids FS 120603
Roger Mullender
ACC Activities.
Our ACC Activities would like to comment on this topic but is unfortunately unable to gain access to the forums at present due to a technical difficultly
Therefore on his behalf I have posted the following which is text of an email sent to me:
Canoeing Kayaking and for that matter all boating and rafting on class C waters.
Firstly a summary definition, Class C waters are still waters with an accessible bank within 50 metres, for instance, Skreens Park lake is about 100 metres across but has accessible banks on both sides so it is Class C water.
It should be noted that some parts of the Chelmer Navigation may be considered as Class C, as the water is not fast running for most of the year but accessible banks are a must and one should steer well clear of weirs and locks, and take note of adverse weather conditions.
Typically a quarry or sandpit with water 51 metres across but with a sheer inaccessible bank on one side will be Class B1 not Class C water, but if 49 metres across it is Class C.
It is a fact that no Adventurous Activity Authorisation, Form W, or Permit under the scheme to be introduced sometime before September 2007, is required to instruct boating on Class C water.
My only concern is that young people are trained appropriately. For Canoeing I would suggest that the Instructor should have been trained to BCU 2 Star level in order to impart the correct skills to the young people. At that level a limited Form W could be issued, on application. For Pulling (Rowing) and Rafting there is no formal qualification, but the Instructor should have some knowledge of Water Safety and I suggest that the relevant Factsheets, viewable and downloadable from Scoutbase should be read and understood.
It goes without saying that there should be an Adult, preferably the Instructor who holds a valid First Aid Certificate, minimum First Response, at the activity at all times
Finally, to dispel a myth regarding the Swimming capability of participants, it is desirable for young people to be able to swim 50 metres. This is not an absolute requirement for participation in Water activities, but any non-swimmer must be identified to the Instructor and it is the Instructors decision to allow some non-swimmers to participate in the activity or not.
At all times Buoyancy aids appropriate to the Activity must be worn by participants and Instructors alike, again reference to the Factsheet is advised
http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/library/hqdocs/facts/
Class C Water FS120623, Canoeing FS120651, Rafting FS120668, Pulling FS120660 Water Safety Waterborne Diseases FS120629, Water Safety Buoyancy Aids FS 120603
Roger Mullender
ACC Activities.
Do I recall correctly that class C does not apply to powered craft?
You can't use powered craft on Barleylands lake! You'd fly straight into the opposite bank, or go flying over the top! what a plan. Make a ramp into a paddling pool...
what a plan. Make a ramp into a paddling pool...
and what do we class as powered, ive definately witnessed some gas propulsion on a few morning afters on that lake!?!
But that only becomes powered if you leave the drain plug out and hang a lit candle next to the hole.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE VOICE OF EXPERIENCE! THESE LITTLE CANDLES DO YOU BUY THEM OR MODEL THEM YOURSELF AND IS THERE ANY DANGER OF FLASH BACK?
We got some nice 9 hour candles in work at the mo designed to go in a sort of lantern thing. Not sure about the brightness, think tilly lantern would be better
I think we can try the floating upside down thing fairly soon Psycho. Maybe at Fi's camp...
I think we can try the floating upside down thing fairly soon Psycho. Maybe at Fi's camp...
what a cracking idea dude, bobbing around upside down with the turtles. i think that could be really spiritual and tranquil you know, good just slip off into some outer body experience. oh hang on thats drowning an that would be really bad. I say faaaaaaaaaaaaaantaaaaaaaaaaaaaastiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiic!!!!! Lets do it man be a great camp party trick!
How were you intending on making it camp?
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